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- From: 71247.3221@compuserve.com (Don Wallace)
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- Subject: Re: CODE AS A CAREER:
- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:25:00 GMT
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- strecker@cray.com () wrote:
-
- >Ryan Richards (ryanr9@ally.ios.com) wrote:
- >: I am an MIS student with about a year to graduate. I have heard a bunch
- >: of talk in the magazines about the good money you can make these days in
- >: the MIS field, especially in the database development (oracle, SAP,
- >: Sybase) field. What I would like to know is if there are any career
- >: computer people that could give some advice. It seems tha tin the
- >: computer field, if you don't work for a BIG company that will continue to
- >: train you on the newest languages (such as SAP) then you will have to
- >: start all over again ina year or two to learn the newest language. For
- >: example, C and C++ are still used, they have been around for a while but
- >: the money is much better in Oracle, etc.but what about two years from
- >: now? Is this how it will always be? I think I will go into sales !;)
-
- >: Feel free to email me.
- >: Thanks for your help
- >: Ryan
-
- >I my short 10 yrs as a programmer/system admin/developer I have come to
- >realize that it's not the language you use as your tool of construction,
- >it's the software engineering skills. Master your fundamental software
- >skills and your will be set to learn what ever flavor of tool is out
- >there.
-
- >To date the most effort had been in learning C++ as an OOP language and
- >not as simply a better C. I had used C++ for over two years with various
- >projects done in C++. Then I took some course work in pure OOD priciples
- >that demonstrated the OOD/OOP while not locking into a particular language.
- >I realize now that I had approached the C++ learning process without having
- >a good understanding of what was driving the C++ language, the OOD/OOP.
-
- >In a nutshell I would say put your effort into understanding your foundation
- >engineering skills and you'll have no problem learning the language of the
- >day. This will also help you weed through the hype and see things for the
- >value or lack there of they have.
-
- >If you enjoy learning and exploring you picked a good field. I have not
- >had a dull moment yet :-).
-
- >Enjoy and welcome to the software community.
-
- >Scott
-
- >=====================================================================
- >Scott Strecker Internet: strecker@cray.com
- >ASIC Procurement Ma Bell : 715.726.4735
- >Cray Research Inc. Chippewa Falls,WI FAX : 715.726.4070
- >=====================================================================
-
- I think that Scott's overview is terrific. But the computer & MIS
- field is one that tends to place too much emphasis upon product
- buzzwords and alphabet soup, which I think was the original poster's
- concern. A lot of deliberate shallowness pervades the hiring scene in
- our field and you must be able to provide current alphabet soup
- skills, because shallow people with no respect for inherent technical
- talent will probably have first shot at thinning out the pile of
- resumes. For example, I have been insulted by brokers who looked only
- at one vendor's C++ on my resume (Borland) and refused to consider
- recommending me for LT contracts that involved Visual C++. When I
- mention analytic skills, engineering background, or multiple projects
- completed in the past, most of the (personnel type) people in our
- field who do the hiring refuse to listen.
-
- I feel the truth is, you need _both_:
-
- - substance - real analytic and design skills - to be able to perform
- well once you get into the organization
-
- - current alphabet soup product skills - being up to date in an exact
- version of this or that vendor's product - to get past the ignorant
- gatekeepers
-
- This aspect of pandering to the latest and greatest buzzword loses its
- importance if you find a stable job leading to management. It is most
- important for consultants and those who choose to stay technical, who
- are at risk of being constantly re-evaluated and re-selected.
-
- - Don Wallace
-
-